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Hurricane Katrina-Our Experiences
Hurricane Katrina-Our Experiences

Larry Bradshaw
Lorrie Beth Slonsky

Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen's store at
the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display
case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without
electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning
to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the
food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen's
windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry.

The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and the
windows at Walgreen's gave way to the looters. There was an alternative. The
cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices,
and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did not.
Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the
looters.


We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived home
yesterday (Saturday). We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at a
newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or
front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen's in
the French Quarter.

We also suspect the media will have been inundated with "hero" images of the
National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the "victims" of
the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed,were the real
heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class of New
Orleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork lift to carry the sick and
disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators running. The
electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over blocks to
share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on rooftop
parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and spent many
hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep
them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers
who broke into boat yards, "stealing" boats to rescue their neighbors clinging
to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car that
could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service workers who
scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for hundreds of
those stranded.

Most of these workers had lost their homes, and had not heard from members of
their families, yet they stayed and provided the only infrastructure for the
20% of New Orleans that was not under water.

On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in the French
Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like
ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and shelter from
Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of New
Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources including the
National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The buses and the
other resources must have been invisible because none of us had seen them.

We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up with
$25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who did
not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who did have
extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12
hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we had. We
created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born babies. We
waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the buses. The
buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived to the City
limits, they were commandeered by the military.

By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was
dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime as well as
water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their doors,
telling us that the "officials" told us to report to the convention center to
wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally
encountered the National Guard.

The Guards told us we would not be allowed into the Superdome as the City's
primary shelter had been descended into a humanitarian and health hellhole.
The guards further told us that the City's only other shelter, the Convention
Center, was also descending into chaos and squalor and that the police were not
allowing anyone else in. Quite naturally, we asked, "If we can't go to the
only 2 shelters in the City, what was our alternative?" The guards told us that
that was our problem, and no they did not have extra water to give to us. This
would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile "law
enforcement".

We walked to the police command center at Harrah's on Canal Street and were
told the same thing, that we were on our own, and no they did not have water to
give us. We now numbered several hundred. We held a mass meeting to decide a
course of action. We agreed to camp outside the police command post. We
would be plainly visible to the media and would constitute a highly visible
embarrassment to the City officials. The police told us that we could not stay.
Regardless, we began to settle in and set up camp. In short order, the police
commander came across the street to address our group. He told us he had a
solution: we should walk to the Pontchartrain Expressway and cross the greater
New Orleans Bridge where the police had buses lined up to take us out of the
City. The crowed cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and
explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation and wrong
information and was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The commander
turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, "I swear to you that the buses are
there."

We organized ourselves and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with great
excitement and hope. As we marched pasted the convention center, many locals
saw our determined and optimistic group and asked where we were headed. We told
them about the great news. Families immediately grabbed their few belongings
and quickly our numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in strollers
now joined us, people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and others
people in wheelchairs. We marched the 2-3 miles to the freeway and up the steep
incline to the Bridge. It now began to pour down rain, but it did not dampen
our enthusiasm.

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the
foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing
their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various
directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and
managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our
conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The
sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to
get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there
was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was
not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their
City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not crossing
the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans.

Our small group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from the rain
under an overpass. We debated our options and in the end decided to build an
encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway on the center divide,
between the O'Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We reasoned we would be visible
to everyone, we would have some security being on an elevated freeway and we
could wait and watch for the arrival of the yet to be seen buses.

All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the same
trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned away.
Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be verbally
berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited
from self-evacuating the City on foot. Meanwhile, the only two City shelters
sank further into squalor and disrepair. The only way across the bridge was
by vehicle. We saw workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi-trucks
and any car that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to
escape the misery New Orleans had become.

Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water delivery truck
and brought it up to us. Let's hear it for looting! A mile or so down the
freeway, an army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations on a tight turn.
We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping carts. Now secure with the
two necessities, food and water; cooperation, community, and creativity
flowered. We organized a clean up and hung garbage bags from the rebar poles. We
made beds from wood pallets and cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the
bathroom and the kids built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of plastic,
broken umbrellas, and other scraps. We even organized a food recycling system
where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for babies and
candies for kids!).

This was a process we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When
individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out for yourself
only. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your kids or food for
your parents. When these basic needs were met, people began to look out for
each other, working together and constructing a community.

If the relief organizations had saturated the City with food and water in the
first 2 or 3 days, the desperation, the frustration and the ugliness would
not have set in.

Flush with the necessities, we offered food and water to passing families and
individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our encampment grew to 80 or
90 people.

From a woman with a battery powered radio we learned that the media was
talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news
organizations saw us on their way into the City. Officials were being asked what they
were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway? The
officials responded they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a sinking
feeling. "Taking care of us" had an ominous tone to it.

Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was correct.
Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol
vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, "Get off the fucking freeway".
A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy
structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food
and water.

Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law
enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated or congealed into groups
of 20 or more. In every congregation of "victims" they saw "mob" or "riot".
We felt safety in numbers. Our "we must stay together" was impossible because
the agencies would force us into small atomized groups.

In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we scattered once
again. Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge
in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding
from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from
the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill
policies.

The next days, our group of 8 walked most of the day, made contact with New
Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out by an urban search
and rescue team. We were dropped off near the airport and managed to catch a
ride with the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the
limited response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large section of
their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and were unable to
complete all the tasks they were assigned.

We arrived at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The
airport had become another Superdome. We 8 were caught in a press of humanity as
flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush landed briefly at the
airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on a coast guard cargo plane, we
arrived in San Antonio, Texas.

There the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort
continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where we were forced
to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses did not have air-conditioners.
In the dark, hundreds if us were forced to share two filthy overflowing
porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with any possessions (often a few
belongings in tattered plastic bags) we were subjected to two different
dog-sniffing searches.

Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been confiscated
at the airport because the rations set off the metal detectors. Yet, no food
had been provided to the men, women, children, elderly, disabled as they sat
for hours waiting to be "medically screened" to make sure we were not carrying
any communicable diseases.

This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heart-felt
reception given to us by the ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker give her
shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street offered us money and
toiletries with words of welcome.

Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept, and racist. There
was more suffering than need be. Lives were lost that did not need to be
lost.



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[info]silvercrowsong
2005-09-07 01:22 am UTC (link)
Glad you all are safe. I can't say how angered and saddened I am at our national government response to this. My folks are all in city management up here and we don't understand what failed to happen, other than the majority isn't republican or otherwise.....
em aka silvercrowsong

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thanks
(Anonymous)
2005-09-07 07:36 am UTC (link)
Very well written. Thank you for this stirring account. I hope you don't mind that I've passed it on.

Peace,
Laurie
libramoon42@mindspring.com
http://www.geocities.com/libramoon.geo/

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Important story
[info]elemming
2005-09-07 11:28 am UTC (link)
Thanks for the story, a small digest posted at my liberal news digest.

Easter Lemming News Digest
http://elemming2.blogspot.com

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So basically...
(Anonymous)
2005-09-07 01:50 pm UTC (link)
...what you are saying here is, "The Man is Bad!"

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Skeptical
[info]psych0naut
2005-09-07 02:19 pm UTC (link)
I've talked to some people who are skeptical of the claims you make in this post -- for example, that police officers confiscated your food, and about the treatment you received in San Antonio. Do you have any corroborating evidence for your story? Did anyone in your group manage to get video or audio recordings of any events you describe? Or do you know of any other groups not affiliated with you or the your cause who have made similar reports? Having independent verification of these or similar events would strengthen your claims.

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Re: Skeptical
(Anonymous)
2005-09-07 03:17 pm UTC (link)
It takes a lot of moxy to challenge someone who lived through the horrors of Katrina and ask them to provide "videotape" of their experiences. Anyone watching the news and anyone with any understanding of the anarchy that prevails when events like these occur knows that humanity's thin veneer is stripped, especially when you are the one wielding the power over others.

Instead of attacking their story, why don't you redirect that energy towards helping the survivors.

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Re: Skeptical - [info]psych0naut, 2005-09-07 03:40 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-07 03:46 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - [info]strangedave, 2005-09-08 08:19 am UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-08 03:13 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 02:05 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - [info]fromthecrescent, 2005-12-18 04:27 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-19 03:26 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-07 03:58 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-07 05:08 pm UTC
Chiming in re objectivity - (Anonymous), 2005-09-07 05:55 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - [info]kayjayoh, 2005-09-08 01:37 am UTC
Re: Skeptical - [info]ana, 2005-09-07 05:59 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-07 10:52 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - [info]ana, 2005-09-07 10:59 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-08 04:41 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-08 04:53 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-08 09:04 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - [info]doctor_k_, 2005-09-09 03:22 am UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 11:44 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - (Anonymous), 2005-09-11 02:54 am UTC
Re: Skeptical - [info]blastmilk, 2005-09-09 08:58 pm UTC
Re: Skeptical - [info]blastmilk, 2005-09-09 08:49 pm UTC
URLs for corroborating articles - (Anonymous), 2005-09-13 05:32 pm UTC
Bradshaw-Slonsky account
(Anonymous)
2005-09-07 06:47 pm UTC (link)
What a load of crap. Once again, your leftist need to make EVERYTHING into a political or racial issue rears its ugly head. Tired and boring.

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Re: Bradshaw-Slonsky account
(Anonymous)
2005-09-07 07:35 pm UTC (link)
All other accounts I've seen say that cell, landline, and even satellite phone services were down. If this is the case, how on earth did they contract with a bus service?
The rations that the government was passing out are called MRE's (Meals Ready to Eat), not C-Rations. C-rats disappeared with the introduction of the MRE back in the 80's. There's a world of difference between a MRE and C-rat. Strange. . .
I struggle to believe this account because it would force me to believe that all military and law enforcement are racist and bad people. I know this is not true.
However, on the other hand, I never understood how all those poor folks could be stuck in the convention center when it was on dry land with a bridge across the river nearby.

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Re: Bradshaw-Slonsky account - (Anonymous), 2005-09-07 11:17 pm UTC
Re: Bradshaw-Slonsky account - (Anonymous), 2005-09-12 02:01 am UTC
Re: Bradshaw-Slonsky account - [info]strangedave, 2005-09-08 08:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kremmen, 2005-09-09 12:39 am UTC
Re: Bradshaw-Slonsky account - (Anonymous), 2005-09-09 06:33 pm UTC
Bradshaw-Slonsky Account
(Anonymous)
2005-09-08 03:19 am UTC (link)
I know these people personally, and have for years. I don't share all of their political beliefs, but I have absolutely no reason to doubt their honesty. If Larry and Lorrie Beth said they saw these things, then they did. They described the goodness of the Louisiana National Guardsman and the kind people of Texas, as well as their own horrific experiences in New Orleans. They saw what they saw, and they described it as they saw it, for which I am grateful.
Writing off their account as the whining of ax-grinding leftists is both cheap and dishonest. Standing up for the gross mismanagement of relief efforts for partisan reasons is just lame.
Bottom line: The response to Katrina was botched, and the media showed a narrow, sensationalist picture of the results. It's not the first time this has happened, and I fear it won't be the last. Resources that could have been in place to deal with the catastrophe were not in place because they were sent overseas, and whether you support or oppose the war, it's a fact that those resources weren't available for just that reason. It is both nauseating, and entirely predictable, that partisan knuckleheads will justify this for partisan reasons.
Is anyone really surprised by any of this?

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Re: Bradshaw-Slonsky Account
(Anonymous)
2005-09-08 05:23 am UTC (link)
Earlier tonight I received an email that forwarded the referenced article. I then did my own web search which came up with some info as to the authors. Here is my reply to the person who sent me the original article.

"Thanks for the article. It comes from the international socialists organization website, http://www.sfsocialists.org/ . A quick google also came up with the following:

" 'Socialist Worker Online, November 5, 2004, SERVICE EMPLOYEES International Union Local 250 in Northern California has recently been shaken by workers’ efforts to form independent unions. LARRY BRADSHAW, chief steward of the Paramedic Chapter of SEIU Local 790 in the Bay Area, and LORRIE BETH SLONSKY, a member of the same chapter and editor of the Gurney Gazette, look at the roots of the controversy. http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/519/519_11_SEIU250.shtml.'

" 'San Francisco Fire Commission, November 20, 2001, From Simon Pang, Daniel J. Langholtz, Linda Ray, Bettrietta Dahlstrom and Marlene Davis, requesting that all charges of insubordination and inappropriate behavior are dropped against Paramedic Lorrie Beth Slonsky. Copy: each Commissioner and Chief of Department. http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/firecomm/sup_html/agendas01/anov2001.htm'

"If the original article is true, i.e., not a piece of bogus propaganda, the police department of Gretna, a city south of NO on the other side of the Mississippi River, should be brought up on charges."

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Regarding Roadblocks
(Anonymous)
2005-09-08 06:22 am UTC (link)
My father is down there with the military and definitely confirmed that many of the 'good-ol boys' of Louisana had set up road-blocks to keep anyone from New Orleans from coming into their parishes. Their advance team had to convince those people that they were with DoD before they could pass.

The story with some more details, names, addresses, is something that warrants serious investigation. It's not hard to believe if hundreds of police officers just walked off the job that maybe dozens or more were inept and cruel in performing their duties.

Sad, indeed.

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[info]broken_anthem
2005-09-08 08:50 am UTC (link)
Ok. I know that anonymous is a default for posting somehow but I for one would really appreciate if you folks would stop hiding behind it when you paint your broad generalizing strokes against us "Leftists" or when you post in general, at best it makes the whole thread kind of hard to follow and at worst makes some posts read like nothing short of rank cowardice.

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personal Katrina experience
(Anonymous)
2005-09-08 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Since I received the article through an e-mail, I am not a member of Live Journal, but ended up here feeling that I must comment. I have no problem with identifying myself, but the only option available for a non-member seems to be to post as anonymous. Flojonm is my screen name. I have been a family friend of the Slonskys for 35 years and know them to be people of very high character. Believe what was in the article. That was their personal experience, and I'm sure that in the weeks to come, you will hear plenty of stories to corroborate their story. You will also hear stories of kindnesses done by police and rescue workers. Everyone's personal experience will not be the same. That's only common sense. However, those police who refused to help them should be charged with a crime. For three years,I lived in Hattiesburg, Ms., which is some 90 miles NE of New Orleans, and have seen the stark, in your face, racism practiced by many people there. I must add here that there are many good white people in the south who have changed their views, but regardless, many still cling to their racist attitudes. So I am not too surprised by the actions of the local police. I also am not surprised by the heroic actions of Ms. Slonsky and Mr. Bradshaw to help their fellow evacuees survive this horrendous experience.

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many thanks...from your daughter...
(Anonymous)
2005-09-08 04:34 pm UTC (link)
I would just like to say for the record that the account written by Lorrie Beth and Larry is completely accurate. Anybody that doesn't believe that everything in that story did happen doesn't have to because we know the truth and we went through that, it's something that I wish on nobody ever. I was with Lorrie Beth and Larry from the day(thursday morning)we had to leave our hotel(Hotel Monteleon, a great hotel with wonderful staff, very helpful people, will definetly be going back someday)and witnessed the same horrific scenes that they did, I couldn't have put it into words any better. I would also like to take the time to thank them for everything that they didn't have to do for me and my family, if not for them I have no doubt that I would not be at home typing this today. They really are angels on earth, they will forever be family to me.

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Re: many thanks...from your daughter...
(Anonymous)
2005-09-08 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Hi, would you please, please contact me at SusanGSMcGee@aol.com.
Thank you so very, very much. Susan

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Some corroboration
[info]hubtone
2005-09-08 05:49 pm UTC (link)
The message is always strengthened with independent corroboration--so I appreciate Skeptical's efforts.

Here is a quote from Mayor Nagin in the Times-Picayune that seems to confirm part of the story.

"Nagin's ire began to rise anew as he recalled a foiled strategy to send able-bodied refugees over the Crescent City Connection to the high ground of the West Bank.

"We were taking in people from St. Bernard Parish," he said. "If we had a bottle of water, we shared it. Then when we were going to let people cross the bridge, they were met with frigging dogs and guns at the Gretna parish line. They said, 'We're going to protect Jefferson Parish assets.'

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#076756

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Re: Some corroboration
[info]ankhorite
2005-09-13 06:12 am UTC (link)
Heya, Hubtone, I tried several different search strategies, but couldn't locate the Nagin quotes above anywhere on the Times-Picayune. :(

Can you still find it at the link you gave? Or is there a new, archival link? Have you got a date or a reporter's name? I'd like to quote it myself, I just cannot track it down. :(

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Re: Some corroboration - (Anonymous), 2005-09-13 04:08 pm UTC

[info]darkthirty
2005-09-08 06:53 pm UTC (link)
thanks

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Veracity of Account
[info]hubtone
2005-09-08 07:31 pm UTC (link)
There is a long debate about the veracity of this account at samizdata.net

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blame
(Anonymous)
2005-09-08 07:33 pm UTC (link)
If you socialists insist on having someone to blame, blame the damn Sierra club for this disaster:
http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/comment/berlau200509080824.asp

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Re: blame
[info]pedantka
2005-09-08 08:38 pm UTC (link)
Because *obviously* the over-development of wetlands had nothing to do with the extent of the damage that hit New Orleans.

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Re: blame - [info]drewkitty, 2005-09-08 11:28 pm UTC

[info]icyglare
2005-09-09 06:37 am UTC (link)
Simply wow, I have read so many different point of views about the situation. It was a good thing that I read what was going on from day 2 before it was filled with propaganda.

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(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 09:33 am UTC (link)
Now why would a Socialist ever post propaganda?

And how ironic that these two paramedics are connected to Socialist groups in the SF/berkly area.

Amaizing how some of their "friends" found their way here and are defending them.

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[info]dr_scholl
2005-09-09 02:26 pm UTC (link)
Anyone who wants verification - this group of people were mentioned by Fox News. It's about a 10 minute video clip - go to:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-NO.wmv
You'll hear about them not being able to walk out of the city from Shepard Smith. You;ll hear about them not having food or water even with the provision trucks driving right past them. Those parts of the story are verified - and if they are, why not believe the rest?

Those who don't believe... either open your minds or go back to your Kool-Aid.

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Truth is perspective
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 03:50 pm UTC (link)
IMHO it is not the "facts" that are in question so much as the perspective in which they are told in this writing. Clearly their is an agenda at work in this piece. Every paragraph reads like a socialist anti-government proganda brochure. To illustrate, lets just examine the first paragraph of this writing:

"Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen's store at the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen's windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry."

The Walgreens Store remained locked. Well of course it did, because EVERY business in N.O. was closed and locked. Why was Walgreens singled out? Well because they apparently had some food inside which was "spoiling", and the awful, hateful, obviously Republican, Bush-supporting racist owners were keeping "food, water, pampers and prescriptions" from the poor blacks of N.O.'s. Hmmmm....perhaps the store was locked and guarded because the first wave of looting the occured all over N.O. was not about food, water or diapers, but about TV sets and ANYTHING of value the poor folk of N.O. could get there hands on to sell later.
The writing also states that not only did the owners lock up the store they also "fled the City"; which the authors are hoping to imply a form of cowardice on top of the mean-spirit. But where-o-where did the authors get the information that the owners had fled? No way do these authors have that kind of information available to them at that moment.
The last line of the paragraph is my favorite: Outside Walgreen's windows, resident, tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry". Well can we all get a huge collective "DUH" right now. A gigantic mother-nature-act-of-terrorism had just occured. N.O. is in a strate of chaos, violence is everywhere. But apparently residents and tourists have nothing better to do than stand outside this Walgreens, stare teary-eyed into the windows as if its a 1940's Macy's department store display at Christmas, and wish they could have the milk, yogurt and cheeses inside, that they are being denied. That's all they want. They'll be good little residents and tourists. Just open the door Mr. Hateful Walgreens owner. We won't touch anything else but the food, we promise. All together now: HAH!!!!!

Bottom line. This account, whether 100% factual or not, is a 100% propaganda piece written by two propagandists. Everything in life is about perspective and context. When we were all children we learned that an automobile accident when viewed by two different people on opposite street corners, is recollected in two complete opposite ways. The tragedy in N.O. is already shaping up to be the biggest example of this learning in the history of the world. Hell the damn city is still wet, and all the politicians (and propagandists) seem to care about is a forum to BLAME someone for what's gone wrong.

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Re: Truth is perspective - (Anonymous), 2005-09-09 05:21 pm UTC
Re: Truth is perspective - (Anonymous), 2005-09-09 05:46 pm UTC
Re: Truth is perspective - (Anonymous), 2005-09-09 07:29 pm UTC
Re: Truth is perspective - [info]nancy_mc, 2005-09-09 06:41 pm UTC
fix your human-communications-synthesizer module... - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 01:22 pm UTC
Re: Truth is perspective - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 02:51 am UTC
Re: Truth is perspective - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 01:13 pm UTC
Kool Aid - (Anonymous), 2005-09-09 09:43 pm UTC
In the SF Chronicle
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Well this story is credible enough to make it into main stream papers. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/09/09/BAGL1EL1KH1.DTL

By the way. How is it that Socialists knew there were no WMD's in Iraq before the invasion while mainstream rags like the NY Times got it wrong?
Perspective.

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Re: In the SF Chronicle
[info]nancy_mc
2005-09-09 08:28 pm UTC (link)
You didn't have to be a socialst to know there were no WMD - it was apparent to any intelligent individual by October 2002 that the Bush adminstration had decided to invade Iraq first, then look for reasons after - and you could see them casting about for reasons in the fall of 2002.

But Bush zombies are so unintelligent that many of them STILL don't know there were no WMD. It's absolutely stunning really, how deeply stupid, obstinate and ignorant these zombies are.

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Re: In the SF Chronicle - (Anonymous), 2005-09-09 10:18 pm UTC
Re: In the SF Chronicle - [info]nancy_mc, 2005-09-09 10:27 pm UTC
Re: In the SF Chronicle - (Anonymous), 2005-09-09 11:11 pm UTC
Re: In the SF Chronicle - [info]nancy_mc, 2005-09-10 12:36 am UTC
Re: In the SF Chronicle - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 01:40 pm UTC

[info]bridget_coila
2005-09-09 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Don't be so quick to harshly to judge the Gretna/Westbank cops. They were aware, as the people trying to cross the bridge may not have been, that at this point in time there was NO WAY OFF THE WESTBANK.

The Westbank was getting inundated with refugees across the bridge- two hundred an hour at one point. The shelters in the area were equipped to handle a couple of hundred people (they were in elementary school gyms) The Westbank also had no food, drinkable water, or sewage. The southern and western ends of the Westbank were under water. The only way out of New Orleans was actually in the other direction- out I-90 up to Baton Rouge. The WB side of I-90 (towards Boutte) was underwater. The cops were trying to evacuate their own residents OUT of the WB, along with dealing with looters setting fire to buildings and two hospitals in distress. They also had a major diesel spill to deal with. There were no buses or other forms of transportation on the Westbank that could get people out, and even if there were, they would have had to go back across the GNO bridge to the New Orleans side and out on highway 90.

Please consult a map and realize that these police were trying to prevent an already unteneble situation from boiling over into a small, damaged, isolated area from which there was no escape but to go back the way these people were coming from.

It's easy to blame the Gretna cops for "preventing the people from fleeing danger." Facing the reality of the situation actually takes some thought.


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(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 11:24 pm UTC (link)
Firing weapons at them doesn't seem to be a good way to prevent a situation from escalating. Forcing them off the bridge to nowhere at gunpoint doesn't seem rational either. Why are you apologizing for them?

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Our LA political system
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Thak you for your account, I heard much the same from family. THe stark fact and harsh reality:
Gretna, N.O., Indeed LA itself is bought, paid for and controled by the Democrat party. The idiot sheriff of Gretna is democrat, every parish is controlled by deomcrats, all the corruption, graft, greed and incompetance that led to these killing fields are run by democrats... when will the outrage begin???

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Democrats as Demons...
(Anonymous)
2005-09-10 02:17 pm UTC (link)
you hit that one right on the head... your own. Bet you barely felt it. I am sure Fox "News" will be reporting the vast deomcartic conspiracy to kill thousands of people and lay the 50th largest city in the country to waste, so the dems could win the mid-term election from the republicans. I guess it was inevitable... w/o communists who else was left to vilify: the poor and the deomocrats.

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Re: Democrats as Demons... - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 04:55 pm UTC
Re: Our LA political system - [info]jana_ch, 2005-09-11 07:18 pm UTC
Language note
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the piece. Tangental, but the word "shero" is crap. It's a perversion of the etymology of the word "hero." I'm all for gender inclusiveness, but I'm not for saying "hero and shero" where "hero" never had any strong gender connotation.

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Re: Language note
[info]ankhorite
2005-09-13 06:39 am UTC (link)
And Hero in the mythological tale of Hero & Leander is female... but I don't fret about "shero," whether I do hear it in situations where it's self-conscious and awkward, or whether I don't hear it in situations where it's clearly called for.

And right now... well. In the whole context of Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans, I'm lots more worried about entomology than etymology. Griping that shero is a perversion of hero is like griping that email is a perversion of mail. Griping about this at all in this thread has a rearranging-deck-chairs-on-the-Titanic feel to it.

Finally, in memory of Air Force Staff Sgt. Anissa A. Shero, who gave her life in Afghanistan in 2002, maybe, Anonymous, you can decide it's time to let this go. Doubtless her name is just a sad coincidence and not related to the gendered neologism, but still... Let people be lauded as heroes, sheros, or heroines, and let their admirers do the choosing, because a rose by any other name...

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[info]amanuet
2005-09-09 07:13 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad that the both of you are safe -- I cannot believe that all that took place. And everyone thinks things are getting 'better' down there.

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Hard to believe
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Let me frank - there are a number of questionable assertions and factual errors within the re-counting that makes me suspect - and before anyone jumps on me I am not a necon, christian, conservative, BushCo koolaid drinker - quite the opposite. But I am a New Orleanian, appalled at the despicable circumstances resulting from the storm and abysmal failures to provide adequate relief in the immediate first days after. However my personal beliefs do not bar me from a making a critical assessment of their story

1) In the opening - they specifically name - out of all the "locked and closed" stores, bars and restaurants containing food and water within the city - Walgreens - why? Lori and Larry in addition to being paramedics are stewards with the SEIU Local 790 in Ca., Larry is the chief steward. Given the recent unsuccessful strike by pharmacist against Walgreens is the naming of Walgreens a "slam" against the company - well of course it is.

2) Larry and Lori's story begins at their hotel in the french quarter -which as most know lies along the river - they mention amongst the heros "shipyard workers stealing boats to save people" now other than initial street flooding from the rain - the quarter and lower CBD was relatively dry and you have to question where they would have met "shipyard workers" in this area. This further comes into question given that there are no shipyards on the eastbank of the river anywhere near the city and any "boats" stolen from the closest shipyards would be in the river and not in the city.

3) The allegations made against the Gretna Police, which I find most distrubing, is questionable when you realize that the river bridge lies completely within the boundry of Orleans Parish (the city on the eastbank and Algiers on the westbank). Gretna is a city and has a Police Chief (Arthur, not Steve Lawson) and Officers, not a Sheriff and deputies. While Chief Lawson has confirmed that he ordered his officers to seal the city - as they were dealing with their own problems and did not have shelter or supplies for evacuees from the city, at no point does he or any other source, in any way, confirm Lori and Larry's harrowing tale of lines of police shooting guns in the air. I also find it highly suspect that "Gretna police" would be stationed on the bridge as it was not in their jurisdiction, and even more remarkable that Gretna officers lead by their Chief would cross the bridge into the city - again a violation of jurisdiction - to harass and disband this group - and then also steal their food and water.

4) Lori and Larry state they camped on the expressway between the O'keefe and Tchoupitoulas St exits - an area approx 1 or so mile in length - they did somehow manage to miss the St Charles Ave exit which is between the 2; and then also state once dispersed that their party of 8 camped under the bridge on CILO (sic). "Clio" which is a street in the area does not run under the bridge and is 1 block away from the elevated expressway.

5) After camping under the bridge on a street that parallels and does not run under any bridge - they walk around for most of the day (where were they walking) run into a fireman and are airlifted out - hmmmm no harrassment threats of violence. Seems after all of their alledged experiences, just too simple.

I could go on - but it's as much a waste of bandwidth to try to debunk every questionable assertion, as the original tale... so my liberal brothers and sisters as they say take things with a grain of salt. While there will be many more horror stories emerging from the Katrina disaster - and way too many true - some will run the range of exaggerated rumor to outright fabrication. I do not doubt that Larry and Lori had "negative experiences" while in the city however I find that some of what they relate smacks of the "parsing of anecdotes and rumor" enhanced through less than poetic license; and I thus file their story under, at best, "based on actual events"

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Re: Hard to believe
(Anonymous)
2005-09-12 06:56 am UTC (link)
Thank you for being honest.


Did you also notice that Lorrie and Larry were evacuated on Thursday?

I'd like to know how they waited 48 hours for a bus, slept one night on CLIO street, camped in front of Harrah's, tried to cross the bridge on two separate days (one of those days would then be the day they walked around aimlessly all day), and managed to not loot Walgreens--all in two days?

They clearly said they got home on Saturday, and clearly said they left the city "two days ago" (from Saturday).

Their story reads like something culled from "The Best of ...", produced by We're Not Biased, Inc.

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Re: Hard to believe - (Anonymous), 2005-09-15 06:40 am UTC
Re: Hard to believe - (Anonymous), 2005-09-15 06:43 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I have to step back and first ask, did you Larry and Lorrie hear the "mandadory" evacuation order? Did you try to evacuate? First of all, think about this, if you and thousands of others would have, most of you would have made it out, and there wouldn't have been this overwhelming mass of victims to deal with (maybe that's what local, state and national leaders counted on?!?!?). True, once it did happen, there were many failures, as you noted, at the state level especially. But I'm just thinking: You as socialists, didn't you think it was proper to obey your governmental leaders (Mayor Nagin)? If you had you wouldn't have ended up in the mess you were in.

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How were the poor supposed to evacuate?
(Anonymous)
2005-09-10 03:08 am UTC (link)
If it was mandatory, why weren't means provided to get the poor out of the city? If it was mandatory, why weren't people in hospitals and nursing homes moved?

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yes, let's blame victims!! - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 01:57 pm UTC
Re: yes, let's blame victims!! - (Anonymous), 2005-09-13 07:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-09-11 04:38 pm UTC
the wingnut memo has made the rounds
[info]nancy_mc
2005-09-09 08:47 pm UTC (link)
Wow, it's clear that all the wingnuts got the memo - if any first-hand accounts of the New Orleans disaster gets out: attack the veracity of the accounts and claim it's propoganda.

The right-wing is truly composed of shameless, ethics-free, mockeries of the human race. It isn't enough for them that they have an entire news network devoted exclusively to pushing the Bush administration's point-of-view, and so they become deeply outraged that some people would actually recount the horrors that happened to them in their own words. How dare Bradshaw and Slonsky have views that don't match exactly the views of our Dear Leader and his henchmen?

That's what outrages the right - not actual injustice. Truly despicable.

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Re: the wingnut memo has made the rounds
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Wow, I didn't know the right had its own news network. I guess with the left controlling all the other 200+ stations, I never noticed. You know like a needle in a haystack kind of thing. Anyway, as so many have tried to point out in this thread, its not the story that's at issue here, its the blatant and obvious anti-government slant to it, that is. These authors had a typical left laundry list of grievances, and as they wrote the story framed and worded the writing to reflect this list. I counted 10, but there may be more. But its all kind of irrelevant anyway isn't it? It won't be long before Michael Moore has the Katrina Kontroversy in his gunsites (he-he) and we can all watch another "dead-on" accurate, completely unbiased, "doctoredmentary" of this story. Hey, I'll buy the popcorn!

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Re: the wingnut memo has made the rounds - (Anonymous), 2005-09-10 01:55 pm UTC
Re: the wingnut memo has made the rounds - [info]taktukbrightsea, 2005-09-12 05:34 am UTC

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